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CUPRA 2014: FWD Lap Record Nurburgring, 7:58.4
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astazi, 4.03.2014 s-a lansat la geneva ultima generatie CUPRA. s-au facut publice si rezultatele testelor de anul trecut cu masina pe ring.

7:58.4 record pentru tractiune fata
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Chuckie asta e varianta "Black Cab"??
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E varianta fara AC, cu semislick si alte frane? Sunt curios ce imbunatatire o sa obtina fata de modelul anterior.
Asta cred ca o sa fie cea mai relevanta comparatie pentru modificari (semislick, putere, frane)
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Cum au mai zis-o si altii, cred ca, daca ar pune aceleasi cauciucuri ar putea ajunge in jurul acelui timp...


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Nu se lasa nici astia: #Under8 - Megane RS275.R
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Uite o confruntare mai directa
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... dar nu la fel de "exacta". Leonul inca nu poate fi cumparat in acea configuratie (fara A/C, cu PSC2-uri si altfel de frane) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Asa ca, din punctul meu de vedere este doar un proiect sau un Leon modificat... Pentru moment, cel putin.

Eu astept pana pe 16 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Atunci sa vedem ce zice Renault! Estimez in jur de 7:50 (daca nu, chiar sub) Cine da mai mult?! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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Si eu sunt de parere ca RS-ul 275 va ajunge pe undeva pe la 7:50. Oricum testul dat de bambu mai sus eu zic ca arata clar ca megane-ul inca are un cuvant greu de spus.
Oricum ar fi si la 265 daca ii pui slickuri, scoti AC, banchete spate si alte prostii va ajunge pe undeva pe la 8 probabil.
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Pai, sincer, daca ar pune numai semi-slickurile cred ca ar face timp mai bun fata de cel al Leonului. Sunt 10 secunde totusi. Pe de o parte e mult, pe de alta, vorbim despre PSC2 care cei de la Michelin spun ca sunt "faster on Jerez Circuit with a Porsche 997 GT3 with 1.8 seconds" si asta comparativ cu PSC1!!! Si asta e comparatie intre semi-slickuri (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Nu mai punem ca (asa stie lumea si sustine Renault) timpul de 8:08 a fost facut cu cauciucuri de strada...


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Este evident ca RS-ul CUP ramane o masina extrem de capabila si un excelent (sau "the") drivers-car pentru un FWD, dar Cupra aduce performante similare intr-un pachet diferit, in stilul VW.
Sincer, diferenta de cateva secunde pe Ring, de orice parte ar fi ele, pentru niste masini ce vor fi conduse de amatori e o gluma (in cazul asta de marketing).

Simplul fapt ca cineva egaleaza performantele etalonului clasei (vezi si testul de mai jos) nu poate fi decat benefic pentru concurenta de pe piata si "consumatori", existand acum o alternativa.


http://www.sportauto.de/bilder/seat-leon-c...st-8313851.html

P.S. deabia astept sa "vad" primele Cupra R pe Ring, din modelele pe noua platforma VW, subiectiv, mi se pare deja ca noile Golf R se misca extraordinar de bine fata de generatia precedenta.
 
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Da, asa e - e o alternativa de luat in seama - CLAR! Pacat insa ca inca nu e la vanzare acel pachet care oricum e ciudat: cine ia acum masina fara A/C?! Nu e ca si cum e o varianta hardcore, foarte track oriented ci doar cu 1-2 chestii in plus si una in... minus (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Dar, pe de alta parte, din punctul meu de vedere, ca si calitate, Megane-ul este peste Seat si asta mi se pare de rahat. Poate noile generatii sunt mai altfel... Si, oricum, subiectivilor (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


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Nu stiam ca acel seat care a doborat recordul FWD pe Nring nu are AC. Mi se pare absurda faza, nu are nici macar niste scaune mai racing si i-au scos aerul conditionat...de ce?
Asa cum a zis si Zyx cine si-ar mai lua o masina fara AC si mai ales ca nu este o varianta hardcore ci vrea sa isi faca reclama prin faptul ca este rapida dar si ok de condus zilnic (4 usi, scaune normale).


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exact wipperman....
eu sunt curios cine alege dintre cele 2 masini, DOAR prin prisma celor X secunde mai rapide pe Nring. asta nu inseamna ca si in alte locatii (h-ring) e mai rapida...

in loc sa-i scoti A/Cul pui niste swaybars, niste placute+lichid+furtune bune (eventual si discuri) si ala e castigul.
ca sa nu mai zic ce repede ii trantetsi un soft bun. din cate stiam la reno e mai complicat softul de pus...la noi.
marketingul vinde masini, dar parca suntem peste conceptia de marketing aici.

oricum...hai sa vedem ce face si noul CTR...
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Pai sistemul ala de frana nu crezi ca si-a spus cuvantul? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Altfel, eu as alege Leonul prin prisma practicalitatii. Dar lipsa A/C-ului si a calitatii. Pe de alta parte, legat de filosofia VW, mai e si lipsa de comunicare - lipsa de implicare in senzorial atunci cand esti la volan...
Whatever... si eu abia astept raspunsul dat de Renault, ca pana apare CTR-ul mai dureaza. Plus ca, nu se stie acum ce timp avea CTR-ul si zicea ca e ok asa. Asa, acum, cu Leonul cu timpul care il avea, cu Meganul cu cine stie ce timp o scaote, oamenii de la Honda au timp sa faca un hocus pocus (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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Deja mi se pare ca se merge prea departe cu recordul asta...
Masina are frane mai mari, suspensie diferita, usurata la greu, etc... Urmeaza ca Honda/Seat/Renault/etc sa scoata o versiune 'cheala' numai pentru a bate recordul...


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Da, asa e... oricum timpul dinainte era de masini cu pretentii mult mai mari si preturi pe masura. Nu ca asta ar fi ieftina - mai ales daca ne gandim ca e un Renault! Acum, cu inca 14 secunde mai jos...
Altfel, diferenta considerabila de greutate. Totusi, Honda promite (sau mai bine zic promitea) ca scot Type-R cu cel mai bun timp pe NRing dar nu au zis nimic despre vreo versiune speciala, ci "doar" Type-R si daca reusesc asta cu o masina normala si fully functional, poate chiar fara semislickuri, jos palaria!
Oricum, mai au ragaz vreo cateva luni si cert e ca Seat si respectiv Renault au ridicat stacheta destul de sus. Adica, nu m-ar supara ((IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) sa faca si ei parteneriat cu Yamaha, Recaro, HKS, (de exemplu) ca sa iasa ceva finut pe parte de track/performante, dar sa nu fie vorba de lipsa A/C care pentru vremurile de acum mi se pare cam exagerat.
LE: Nu stiu de Leon daca are diferential mecanic...

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